Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Just would be interesting to see. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). I would say probably is bs. Obviously not. Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. It's good for some laughs. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Im your AMA although Im trending down. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. The next table uses the approach distances from the previous and calculates the proximity to hole. I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. The ball shoots from the face and you lose the control of the ball. The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. Top 100 Player Analysis. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. [/quote] However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> Have a look at his driver and 6 iron numbers below: Driver 6 It has to do with my ability. Thats a course representative of the average golfer? Fan Mail Justin Thomas I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. At the Sony Open, Thomas became the youngest player to shoot 59 on the PGA TOUR and broke the TOURs 72-hole scoring record by a stroke. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. It has to do with my ability. I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. the TrackMan numbers below. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO People that take hole distance & distance on approach to calculate driving distance is what's funny. 714 AP2 4-p Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. That's what I think. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. Or should i take control on the distance i have? When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. x]I]618nI9^R? 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. I think you wish you hit it further. Victoria II. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. [Note If you are interested in what drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players are using check out the in-depth analysis we have done here.]. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. It's good for some laughs. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. Absolutely awesome numbers though. When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. I blame it on TV coverage. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. I think you wish you hit it further. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. I don't measure my driver distance. Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT I don't measure my driver distance. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. 1700 Broadway, Floor 29, New York, NY 10019, 2020 Justin Thomas. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. Almost every post I read on the internet the guys say they are swinging 125 mph. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] How to Hit Massive Drives! Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484 My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. And that was 12 years ago. [/quote] My teachers are always trying to get me to change my swing to generate club head speed, but this consistently leaves me frustrated and physically sore. Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7 X, 3-wood: Callaway Rogue ST Max (15 degrees) 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. [/quote] Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. They must get club speed confused with ball speed, Cough Some people may exaggerate slightly , Hi My ball speed is with driver 195 km/h AND 160 km/h with a 6 iron Schaft = rgular or ???? Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? While it would be easy to quietly continue his good deeds, the time is right to establish a foundation that can partner with others to positively impact countless philanthropic organizations and communities, and deliver even more good in the world. Official driving distance is only measured on two holes per round, which means you might get 50-60 shots in a year. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] IF a smaller easier course with less hazards I will play from blue but I am having a ton of fun and scoring between 90 and 97 consistently every time with an average drive of around 220 yards. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. [/quote] He is committed to having a positive effect on their lives. [/quote] Once again Vokey customise their wedges even in the grooves. WebPGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. Its Not About the Equipment. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. Sorry for the ramble. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Its important for me to have a 58 degree that works first and foremost in a bunker and then to chip with, because I use my 52 to chip with more often than not as I like to see the ball on the ground and rolling towards the hole so it has a chance of dropping in. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho, M2, maybe Great read with invaluable data and information. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Especially the average driving distance data. [/quote] Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. On the LPGA Tour the top pros hit their driver an average of 257.7 yards. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Am I as good as tour pro? I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. [/quote] I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Instead, its mostly situational. Scotty Squareback and Odyssey OG #7, Srixon ZX5 MKII Irons 4-PW Like New and a Titleist U505 4 Iron, OG Nike TW13 PING i59 irons Vessel Stand bag (trade). I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. My taylermade aero burner average distance is 330 yards on a good day 364 yards. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Required fields are marked *. Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. Skill Triumphs Over All! The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. This site is owned and operated by Add That Little Extra Limited, a private limited company whose registered office is in London, UK. Because of the trends and correlations found in the TrackMan Combine data, it is possible to calculate the proximity to hole for nearly any handicap or approach distance with high confidence. He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. They hit a 3-wood an average carry distance of 249 yds, a 5-wood 235 yds and 3-hybrids 230 yds. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 I hit the same. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Flexibility, speed, and knowing how to transfer energy the most effi It is not to suggest that a golfer should simply play a shorter course to shoot better scores, but that a golfer should play a course length that is appropriate. To me, working on improving distance happens only after theyve advanced beyond the AMA category. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. That smash factor surprises me a bit. Also, the dispersion for misses will be much wider for the AMA than the professional. Tee and Approach Shots! Another added complication when it comes to comparing the distances that the pros hit their wedges is the differing lofts each of them often carries for seemingly the same club. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. Paste as plain text instead, I agree with you 100%. Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. What about the balls we use. =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/% Np^=+,5I,F5HH#418y\PuQ5) x9.>5?2P5@B$bz.k^OY<>Vf.%,(H8,~f3YzWBpj|!8K^E`$D &XP9gBTl+= Tg{\(k@bW6o9e:&x$hx"o0@:+}UnMD($R*3|>M}18&oA>m Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340 also his AoD on the stinger. Spin Rate 2,645.8 If it's a longer hole, I'll play the driver. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. I work in the industry and frequently play with low handicaps who tease me into playing longer yardage (they assume at 63 250 I bomb it) my home course is 7400 from the tips, and this frustratingly puts my score in the mid 90s. f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ ae@.Xq@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Dont think they ever release that stuff. Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220. PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? Im wondering if there are outliers here?. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. You can post now and register later. The attention to detail from Bob Vokey is extraordinary and you can feel the change in strike as you try many different heads. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. I then picked up the lob wedge, historically as a two wedge player I need high versatility with this club as it is 6 degrees more lofted than my 52. This way the material is removed from the face and not spread out which means the grooves are sharper and weight isn't dispersed. [/quote] If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. What Irons Do the Pros Use? Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. 712u 3 Club Head Speed 119.55 I also shot 86. [b]Tiger Woods[/b] Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. %PDF-1.5 Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. [quote name='eddie_max' timestamp='1364438260' post='6711367'] Distance to Apex 195.9 Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. 915 FD also his AoD on the stinger. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. By adding 10 yards to every shot hit by the AMA from 160 yards, the percentage of shots that would hit the green increases from 38.5% to 44.0% and the average distance from the target decreases from 71.8 feet to 60.6 feet. Whats the proportion of shots wide of the mark by say 80 feet or more (or some width for which there is data) 2. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. I also shot 86. [/color] [/quote] Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). <>stream X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 [/quote] Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. I don't play professional golf. TI Taylormade SIM (9.0) Tensei CK Pro Orange 70TX It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? #TeamTrackMan Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. Hcap 5 will be around 68. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? Do you suppose my distance is bs? Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? I don't play professional golf. And it just isnt true.well at least not on average. Thanks. [/quote] Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. I am still unsure of how a higher handicapper can benefit as much other than having higher bounce in a wedge. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. There is no age or nationality restriction for the AMA. Is it around 25-35% less then the AMA group? Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. Thanks this will help my golf game so much now. Smash Factor 1.475 Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. I didnt start playing until i was 31 and it was over by 42 yet my handicap was 12. Carry Distance 302.9 The data has been collected through the TrackMan Combine from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world. By There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? It takes a detailed plan and it takes time, and this is why I think the improvement of AMAs isnt as impressive as it could be. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Ever found a yardage you like? The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE I can hit the ball a long ways, that doesn't make me full of bs. You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. Its a whole different story. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. Ive tried lots of different woods shafts and lengths but seem to reach a ceiling on distance. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) [b]XHP 3-Deep (13)- 7.3X @ 43.5 DShawn Johnson If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. As for his short irons his 8-iron yardage is 165, he hits his 9-iron 150 yards and his pitching wedge 135 yards on average. Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. WebJon Rahm TrackMan Numbers. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340-345. Dear Claeys, We highly recommend you to visit a TrackMan coach or fitter close to you, as there are many individual aspects to your question. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes.
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