Stefan: As a longtime model maker I can answer this with a clear and I admit slightly surprised yes. I, too, was affected by this on several online test flights. They were set to 38000ft cruise alt and 150ft landing alt on both occasions. I think I just forgot to turn the L and R recirc fans back on after en PMDG should really have deserved this distinction, which unlike the simFlight awards is awarded by the reviewers. Check your pressurization panel. You can also tell it would spread a Fire fast in any crash if ON. As a result of this, the A pillar in these airplanes is more inclined, and the bulge does not remind me as much of the nose of my former Latin teacher as the one in the PMDG. The PMDG flies great whether by hand or by autopilot. Some of these crashes are even accompanied by a blue screen. Is it even possible that this PMDG software can simulate a Boeing 737 realistically? <> It really is a joy to work with. I suppose a cockpit is anything but a quiet place. The investment has been worthwhile; with very high display settings, MyTraffic, ActiveSkyEvolution and REX2 clouds, the PMDG flies absolutely fluidly at a Mega airport with a good 20+x fps; at the gate, frames may dip to 12-15 on occasion. Maybe a NEWB mode that prints it out? And at this point, I again need to make an important digression: As usual, I have read the whole spectrum of assessments in the PMDG forums from too sensitive to too sluggish. endobj All they do is allow the packs to run at a lower airflow rate to improve fuel economy. Oski: Objection, your honour! In my view, PMDG has made clear advances here. By the way: This is the second part of our three-part 737 NG review special. Its enough to consider an engine failure at or shortly after V1 and the correct response to this problem. However, it said that in September, an unnamed airplane operator reported that both switches had failed on three different 737 models it tested. Work through that section of the checklist again on your next flight. Out of these cookies, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. This really applies to all of the working space of the captain. If I consider how an A320 with FBW behaves which, after all, supports you extremely well during this transition the NGX seems to me to be a bit too harmless in this respect. Holger: Oski, you fly with a multi-monitor setup, right? Well, in direct comparison with other 737 NG implementations I have to say that overall, the VC in those implementations is noticeably lower, making the view through the forward window less high and wider. PMDGs customized, flight model with enhanced physics augmentation. The directive includes the 737 Max. Join the flight experience and to troubleshoot for CTDs OOM Crash Free operation of FSX a.s.o. Originally posted by Extra300driver View Post. And set the local altimeter coming down through the translation level. The commitment that this requires in terms of cost and time should not be underestimated. After this review, we will write a comparison between PMDG and iFly. To me, the PMDG is a perfect add-on but in view of the great add-ons that have appeared in the last three months alone, you have to be really careful not to overuse the superlative. This is an extreme feat, and to us lay people, it is hard to grasp that it is even possible to execute such a procedure many times a second without a hitch. available from Boeing. His task will be to chair this review and formulate the final verdict. But nothing conclusive can be said yet in this respect since the shorter variants have not been released. From the extension of the flaps to the wing flex on takeoff! Once to disengage and once to silence the warning its disengaged. Currently studying Aeronautical Engineering at Sheffield Hallam University (UK). is there a tutorial on how to set this correctly and not get the annoying alarm? Leaving recirculation fans OFF would not prevent pressurisation. All they do is allow the packs to run at a lower airflow rate to improve fuel econ Once you start to achieve your first successes with this, you should be ready to hazard a step into a real Level D simulator and try your hand at the real thing. Any modern flight guidance system can handle it though only of course if the initial situation is correct. To me, the 737 NGX is by far the best and most innovative and so the most significant aircraft add-on in a long time. Three companies are currently competing for the implementation of the best Boeing 737 NG simulation: iFly and PMDG and strictly speaking Ariane, too, though the latter product has been on the market for a few years and can no longer keep up with the other two. Almost makes me want to run out and make the purchase, but my i5 and 3gb ram and windows xp may not be able to keep up. PMDG Operations Center 2.0 for easy livery installation and ease of receiving free product updates from PMDG. But lets put the 737 to the test, Captain! iFly released their Boeing 737 NG fleet only a few weeks ago, and we reviewed it here. But an expert in the sense of the question you certainly dont have to be that. PMDG obviously did not want to expose themselves on this flank, which is why the add-on contains a balanced mixture of detail and functionality, without losing itself in resource-hungry bling-bling a la CaptainSim. Thats correct. The bottom line is that PMDG has released a truly excellent product! In the beginning, the acoustic backdrop seemed almost too loud to me, but if I hark back to the pre-9/11 era I recall that various airliner cockpit visits at the time really left a similar impression on me. You will find the signature editor on the ACCOUNT tab, about half way down the page. Applying for medicals to start PPL soon. There is no question: PMDG has set a milestone in the history of Microsoft Flight Simulator! Oski: Well, its always a bit difficult to judge the sound on a PC. All of these models will only be available for FSX; an FS2004 version is not planned after all, such a product already exists in the shape of version 1. I learned that many airline pilots would sometimes welcome it if real autopilots flew as precisely as they do in the simulation. My old computer, a first-generation quad core with 2.93 GHz (QX6800) should probably be able to handle the PMDG, too, but a mixture of complex sceneriesandthe 737 NGX would definitely be pushing it! As a longtime model maker I can answer this with a clear and I admit slightly surprised yes. But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. Also set the altitude of the airport your landing at. All new hi-fidelity models with superb detail Beautifully crafted exterior and interior models built over contemporary detailed plans and Does the PMDG fly precisely? If we want to count all of the lateral and vertical flight guidance by the FMC with LNAV and VNAV as part of automatic flight, we have to begin noting the first imperfections. To me, at least, part of the fun of simming consists of flying different aircraft types. But I have every trust in the expertise of PMDGs team and in the communitys swarm intelligence. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Nothing to do with the ALT horn going off Paul. I went to my doors page on the fmc and found that cargo hatch was left open and was unable to close it in the air. Maybe even too precisely? But the general impression is very good. The animations of the crew are great down to the smallest detail. By the way, the setup option in the CDU allows the acoustic backdrop to be adjusted to personal taste again, this is a real innovation and one of the strengths of the product. Obviously, George also has problems from time to time with leveling off exactly at a given altitude or predicting a descent point precisely. Problem solved. The reason is simple: The PMDG B737 NGX has really been simulated almost completely in all systems including Flight Guidance, of course. A negative point that I noticed and again this applies to my multi-screen 2D environment is the fact that various sounds drop out when the focus switches from the main screen to one of the auxiliary screens. No attacking of other commenters (including insulting, threatening, trolling, baiting, flaming), 2. The systems simulation adds substantially to the hours of enjoyable flying. The way Oski describes it you probably dont have much time for wild mouse acrobatics. Even a few years ago, flight instructors in airliner flight schools would have shaken their heads at the mere thought. After all, they convert the data according to the add-on developers specifications. The exterior and interior model are based on the original blueprints from Seattle. No requests for links to similar sites like SimPlaza, 8. The image galleries on airliners.net dont really help either, because many of the images have been post-processed and stretched. Oski: Well, it would be easy to hand out superlatives. If there is sufficient customer demand, the ER variants of the -700 and -900 may follow, but a final decision on this has not been taken. Holger: Are there systems that are particularly innovative or that deserve particular attention? And this is why the better the sound, the better the overall impression. Have fun! Would be nice if the plane could tell you on a PFD. Oski: To a certain degree: yes! The Boeing 737 NGX is certainly not an airplane that can be recommended in good faith to an absolute novice. As I have already indicated, the visuals of the 737 NG exterior model are as a whole correct and feature many details. No I think thats different. Can the PMDG be flown by the numbers? Not entirely sure why, is that a return flight? It seems all the more understandable, then, that such a calculation can, on occasion, go awry To be quite clear: The absolute majority of customers do not have any problems with the product, and PMDG has already released a hotfix to help customers that are suffering crashes. Should the autopilot control be realistic or simplified? PMDG Simulations Official youTube content to aide new PMDG 737 pilots in getting the most from their purchase. The 2D panel concept has thus not been implemented completely, which I dont quite understand. <>/Font<>/XObject<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/Annots[ 23 0 R] /MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Or if I adjust the bank limiter instead of the heading bug? Instead of raising the pitch to 15 and accelerating with a climb rate of at least 1000 fpm, it tiptoes away with 56 ANU and 500600 fpm climb rate. And during the subsequent autobrake 1 deceleration I had to intervene manually to leave the runway in a reasonably sensible fashion. Hardcore simmers will surely be delighted to note that printed manuals are available covering everything from Crew Training to the Quick Reference Handbook. Interchangeable equipment options for cockpit instrumentation A comparison would have to be made, though, across the whole range from the -600 to the -900. You always stop PACKS for Takeoffs & Landings too in case of a Go-Around. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. The NG, too, can perform a go-around from a fail-operational dual autoland configuration, but the NGX cant. The FAA said it doesn't have enough information yet to explain why the failure rate of the switches is "unexpectedly high" and recommended that airlines return any failed switches so that the switch manufacturer, which it didn't name, could investigate the issue. If this is your first visit, be sure to I see he was talking about something different now. Thought it was the other Horn he was talking about. The one that goes off when you forget to tu What is also great is that PMDG attaches equal importance to the visual aspect of the flight experience. He will tell us how realistic PMDG has managed to make the systems simulation of the 737 NG. PMDG enable their customers to equip their aircraft as they please the real aircraft is available in different configurations, and the same is possible in the simulator. They don't add air to the cabin.Kevin Hall. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. An important indicator is always the transition to single-engine flight. Feb. 2018 um 9:58 Ursprnglich geschrieben von OMG this makes no sense, top three switches you could literally be talking about any number of switches lol, Also had this issue, good to have you guys around to help us learn this complex aircraft. If you consider that the database consists of several tens of thousands of procedures, you can certainly imagine that there can always be a flaw somewhere. There is no external tool for this, everything can be configured directly from the Flight Simulator session. We do so because we feel that forums in which users must engage one another personally are generally warmer, more collegial and friendly. Our reviewers Oskar Wagner, Dr. Stefan Benzinger und Holger Kistermann have taken a closer look at the Boeing 737-800 / -900. The PMDG Boeing 737 NGX does have a few flaws, but they do not detract from the general impression. You've got a bleed trip off annunciation. Check if the packs are turned on. Advanced animations techniques leveraging the new MSFS engine to truly bring the 737 flight deck to life. The Boeing 737-800 and -900 simply look incredibly good, too! For example, at low speeds it has the same difficulties in holding altitude precisely when rolling into or out of a turn as some of its big colleagues. Message me if you would like to share stories/progress. Be sure to click the "Show Signatures" box. Quite simple: The better is always the enemy of the good. Im guessing its the alarm that you arent in landing configuration, but I have set the flaps for landing, gear is down, speedbrake is armed, what else is required for the alarm to stop? Since 1997, we have asked users to sign their real name, first and last, to all posts in the PMDG forum. To guarantee some ahhhs and ohhhs from the FSX community, PMDG has collaborated closely with Boeing. This is fun! In cases such as these, this also applies to vertical navigation, where a target speed sometimes does not behave the way it should. Holger: The complexity is of course not restricted to the systems simulation but continues with the visual model. Whereas only a few months ago there was talk in forums and magazines about of a crisis of flight simulation, new developments are now coming thick and fast in the shape of high-quality releases. You took the time to be here, we want to get to know you. If it werent for the CTDs! Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Each Boeing plane has two pressure switches on board as a safeguard in case one fails, following a 2012 FAA mandate. Did you set your cruise altitude on the overhead? By default its at 10,000 and if your cruise level is going to be 35,000 feet for example you need Another example: The elevators have trim tabs with their own animations at extreme deflections, they move in opposite directions. Did we ever figure out what caused the dual bleed trip? In the first few days after the release, there were also some slightly disappointed comments from time to time. You will find the signature editor on the ACCOUNT tab, about half way down the page. In the PMDG, the whole panel is somehow less wide, everything in the VC seems more confined. stream Depends what aircraft you are flying. {[O `Zfh=Ie;Aup7fQV"+. PMDG has managed to implement a very exact simulation of the Boeing 737 NG for FSX that does not leave much to be desired. No discussion about problems you have with an add-on using the outdated cracked version of MSFS (1.19.9.0), 7. PMDGs product philosophy aims not only to deliver a realistic airliner implementation but also to offer corresponding accessories. No political discussions, go to reddit.com for that, 6. For example : the landing gear warning horn sounds continuously if you are at flaps 15+ without the gear down. Today, he consults for and tests various Flight Simulator projects. this is my hometown and i want this really b, Wonderful My Father-in-law Bombed the Hell out of Bremen. But this is something I generally dont do after all, I want to assess the sound of the model I bought, not the model I fiddled around with. 3 0 obj The one question that remains is about the reviewers choice. Native PMDG datalink simulation compatible with simBrief integration. With this present product, however, the shadows are very few and far between. This also implies that single engine flight is simulated quite well at least in terms of performance. All of this at unbelievably high prices but this is an indulgence die-hard 737 simmers will grant themselves. This is one of the few rigid rules that we enforce regularly. In general I do have to say that the FMC runs quite stably and without errors. In the case of the PMDG this applies to the convincing flight dynamics. And after all, the community is made up not only of pilots with virtual type ratings and hardcore simmers who plan and execute their flights with great dedication and knowledge, but also of many with an aesthetic inclination who frown at sludgy textures or mushy pixels and complain if exterior features such as pitot tubes or antennas are missing. What is your take on the sound, Stefan? I'm not up to speed on the pneumatic system as I'm not a 737 pilot IRL, but I suspect this is because you have the isolation valve set to open instead of auto. Forums Index - All forums; Portal page; MSFS 2020; FSX - FS2004 and Earlier; P3D; X-Plane; Real World Aviation; Other Sims; PC Hardware Stefan: No, on the contrary: To start the engines, youhaveto switch to the VC to open the fuel valves. Precision Manuals Development Group (PMDG) has followed suit and recently released their interpretation of the Boeing 737 NG. This page was generated at 03:28. The present 737 interpretation from PMDG, to me, is the climax of this development (for the present?). After further investigation and analysis, however, the airplane manufacturer and the FAA concluded in May that "the failure rate of both switches is much higher than initially estimated, and therefore does pose a safety issue.". You cant improve on perfect syntactically maybe, but not semantically. Upload New File; Discussion. I say this because if the 2D FMC is on a secondary screen, you cannot use keyboard entry you can neither use the tab key nor activate the input line in the scratch pad. We use cookies to improve your experience on our site and to show you personalised advertising. Cant seem to find anything other than the P3D one, This alarm is not the AP disconnect, it's different. #1 Tobble 11. All times are GMT. Movieman162, January 8, 2012 in PMDG 737NGX | 737NGXu, HiI have just done two flight in the 737-800NGX Winglets aircraft and on both at one point or another in climb i got the cabin altitude warning horn. However, a few isolated but relevant problems will definitely still have to be fixed. Wonderful! I suppose a cockpit is anything but a quiet place. As a user, you dont have total control over all sound levels except, that is, if you have some knowledge of the sound.cfg file and fiddle around with it. After all, an uh-oh is something no one wants to experience. Stefan: Youre completely right. What is essential to me as a lay person is the overall atmosphere, and that is definitely believable. Here, again, the fact is that we are not sitting in a Level D simulator but in front of a screen and those are two principally different worlds. Rigid body physics for wing and tail surfaces. Youre completely right. You simply need to know the standard procedures. In this respect, the NGX is a new benchmark by which many future developers as well as future alternatives to FSX as a platform will be measured. Better solutions to this are possible, as A2A, for example, have demonstrated strikingly with their sound system. OP is talking about a warning horn that sounds continuously. Or if the FMC crashes completely because sloppily programmed clickspots cause me to flip the wrong switch on the overhead and power down the flight computers? In my view, PMDG has made clear advances here. The FAA said in the order Thursday that if both switches failed, the warning system would not activate if the cabin altitude exceeded 10,000 feet at which point oxygen levels on board could become dangerously low and cause flight crews to lose consciousness, it said. By clicking Sign up, you agree to receive marketing emails from Insider For my taste, the air conditioning is a bit too loud but unfortunately I dont know the B737 from practice. Holger: Oski, why do you recommend that even experienced Boeing 737 NG pilots should use the documentation (at the very least parts of it) to familiarize themselves with this add-on? Don O2 Masks and establish communications (boom to mask in the ACP) 2. But please give PMDG a bit of time its not even two weeks since the release yet. Holger: Performance is a good key word. Stefan, can this complexity actually be operated well? Leaving recirculation fans OFF would not prevent pressurisation. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. At least in normal conditions.The controllers are programmed and designed to never exceed maximum differential pressure between cabin and external air, this thing takes its part in the pressurization profile that controllers make when they know the desired crz altitude and landing altitude.Wrong data are only uncomfortable for passengers and crew.Different is for the manual mode where the pilot manually moves the valve.In this case there is only the overpressure protection wich will open the safety valves when maximum differential pressure is reached.There is no protection in manual if the airplane is de-pressurizing (except for the warning). PMDG 737 Cabin Altitude warning. On final approach, I was only able to reduce to Vref right before the threshold. Incandescent and LED lighting packages, as well as fully dimming flight deck lights and annunciators. This review was originally published in German on our sister site www.simflight.de and has been kindly translated by Martin Boehme. Has PMDG thought of pilots like you? have a look here: http://virtualfsx.wordpress.com/. Dont forget in Flight Simulator, we move in a three-dimensional world where the position of the sun, the view of objects and the world, the depiction of weather as well as animations, systems logic and high-resolution textures have to be computed anew with every frame! Oski: In simming, expert is always a relative term. Which of the implementations conveys the most realistic feeling of space? Do you have a link to the manual? No, on the contrary: To start the engines, you. They are normally turned off for take-off (because they use bleed air which in turn I hope no one is going to claim that they use the VC to carry out the complete initialization of the FMC, for instance. I have good frame rates (20+ for instance at Mega-Airport Zrich) when in the VC and even better frame rates (30+) with the 2D panels. Since 1997, we have asked users to sign their real name, first and last, to all posts in the PMDG forum. As I have already indicated, the visuals of the 737 NG exterior model are as a whole correct and feature many details. But it is only natural that the cooperation with Boeing which has been stressed time and again and the use of original plans and blueprints should also have its effects here, and not only on systems depth. I doubt, however, whether the majority of simmers will do this and in my view, it isnt necessary. A full featured tutorial will guide you through proper operation of the 737 from power up to power down. Sign up for our newsletter for the latest tech news and scoops delivered daily to your inbox. Another point that definitely deserves a positive mention: All of the load management passengers, cargo and fuel, including the correct distribution across the aircraft is carried out from the cockpit via the CDU. Oski: I dont even have to go that far. Full set of ground equipment for each aircraft type, including passenger servicing vehicles. My solution to this has been the VRInsight MCP combo on one hand and a touch screen on the other. All of this, in combination with the high-resolution textures and the well-executed model, gives the aircraft an incredibly realistic effect. You are the connoisseur among us, with an eye for correct design. Also make sure ALTN is set to AUTO not MAN. Emi is a IRL 737 pilot and most everything you need to know is well described in the various vids on his channel. If not, we will of course need to divert to the takeoff alternate. Very informative review. Holger: Nick Collett from Angle of Attack has published a walkaround through the virtual cockpit on Vimeo that shows not only design-specific details but also introduces some of the systems. Also your yaw damper is off, turn that on on the ground.
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